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By Tracy Spaight (84), Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:43:42 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) Tom Munnecke said: I am toying with modelling the island roughly after Santorini, in a kind of crescent with another island in the focus of the crescent. An entrance area is paved with yellow bricks, serves as a general meeting area. This located at the base of the vertical wall of Mt. Uplift, and leads to a village area with a Mall for the better world tools and ideas. A stadium is off in another direction, and maybe an amphitheater in another. An airport for sky-scooters allows folks rapid access around the island. I'd put my office on the top of Mt. Uplift with a 360 degree view of the island and ocean. There would be lots of space for folks to develop their own subdivisions, and a sandbox area for people to try out new things... You're probably aware of this, but archeologists like Spyridon Marinatos and Christos Doumas believe that Santorini might be the source of the Atlantis legend. Charles Pellegrino's Unearthing Atlantis: An Archeological Odyssey is a fascinating review of the evidence for an early civilization on Thera -- before it was wiped out by an enormous volcanic eruption in 1628 B.C. Arthur C. Clarke wrote the preface. It's a fun read.


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my tags: suggested tags: (click to copy) second-life Help with tagging is available in the Tagging FAQ. quote and reply... top By Tom Munnecke (1530), Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:46:20 PST Edited: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 12:49:20 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) I was just in world, where I bought a lot. I put my wormhole on the property, which is a little large and awkward, and didn't know what the neighbors would say, particularly a very nice home just up the hill. I noticed Pierre (Kitto Mandala) in world, so I offered to teleport him over. It turns out that he was my neighbor and owner of that home. (Honest, I just picked a lot and started working on it; Pierre and I didn't synchronize our times, this all just happened). Then Pam appeared (Jamie Nutra), and the proudly posed in the living room of their new home overlooking the wormhole.

Jamie is a rather rambunctious young lady, but we all had a good time. I added some landscaping around the wormhole, and went back into their home (they leave it unlocked, by the way), to check out the view:

Pierre started a Second Life group called Better World - members are called scouts... he even asked be to be a leader. I was hoping to use Pierre's pad as an initial Headquarters for our efforts. And this is me, looking out from the fringe of the wormhole, still utterly oblivious to what it means or how its going to work. I'm just building it, and wondering what's going to come out of it.

In case anyone is wondering if this is fiction or reality: Kitto (Pierre) really did appear, as did Jamie (Pam), and it was just happenstance that we turned out to be neighbors. You can visit our properties at Pickerel 122,228. Tortoise: Ha! Happenstance? Get real. I'm in charge here, and you are just avatars in my world, and the sooner you figure this out, the better.


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The creation of a 'virtual space' where the aggregate energies of the masses are focused intently on hopes for the creation of a 'better world' will work Quite amazingly as well. That's why I'm here.It's like watching the birth of stars...so lovely.:)


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my tags: suggested tags: (click to copy) second-life Help with tagging is available in the Tagging FAQ. quote and reply... top By Duncan Suttles (20), Sun, 30 Jan 2005 23:54:52 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) Parallel Universes also known as "Many Worlds" have profound metaphysical implications which is why the Cosmologists who theorize about them do not normally discuss the subject outside of their peer group. In fact most people throw up a natural mental block to Many World's so that you could talk about it for some time and they still would not get it. The following is from the Many World's Faq. A word of warning on this subject. Continue at your own risk! http://kuoi.asui.uidaho.edu/~kamikaze/doc/many-worlds-faq.html Q1 Who believes in many-worlds? "Political scientist" L David Raub reports a poll of 72 of the "leading cosmologists and other quantum field theorists" about the "Many-Worlds Interpretation" and gives the following response breakdown [T]. "Yes, I think MWI is true" 58% "No, I don't accept MWI" 18% "Maybe it's true but I'm not yet convinced" 13% "I have no opinion one way or the other" 11%


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suggested tags: (click to copy) second-life Help with tagging is available in the Tagging FAQ. quote and reply... top By Jason -JZ- Liszkiewicz (18), Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:11:39 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) Great stuff. I will be speaking at a conference in the Washington D.C. area related to issues brought up in this thread and all this is moving inline with a proposal of mine called "Re-Configuring the Global Organisms' Operating System Through Mobile Democracy" which I would love feedback on since it's about online community collaboration on a grand scale... networked online islands to create resolutions and simulations to be transitioned into the offline world for a better world. The convergence and reciprocation of the best of both worlds. It's recently been accepted and posted at OSS.net (Open Source Services)- (copy/paste since o-net doesn't break the link from a constant horizontal line) www.oss.net/dynamaster/file_archive/051206/0fc5deba735abfb86ea1b 4a83dafa7e1/Re%5fConfiguring%20the%20Global%20Organisms%20Operating%20 System%20Through%20Mobile%20Democracy%20%85.pdf Or just find the link at http://www.re-configure.org. Conceptually it's extremely related to discussions here and O-Net would be very interested in the conference in D.C. Speakers - http://www.oss.net/extra/page/?action=page_show&id=21&module_instance=4 Schedule - http://www.oss.net/extra/page/?action=page_show&id=81&module_instance=4


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