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Future of BWIPosted to: * Better World Island * by Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Fri, 24 Feb 2006 13:48:08 PST Feedback score: 0 +|- (net 8 from me) Comments: 176 by 19 members (most recent: 35 weeks ago by Jackie B (CCAL30) (623)) Viewed: 2236 times by 112 members Let's figure out how to make BWI work as a collaborative effort. Those in favor? What would it cost and what TIME and HUMAN RESOURCES do we need to make it thrive??
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By P (CCAL30) (1400), Fri, 24 Feb 2006 15:28:04 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) I am in favor of keeping Better WOrld Island alive! I can help with monthly rent...put in so much $L every month.
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:48:15 PST
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I dropped a tip in today but I know it's nothing compared to the cost of running it. A $200 nugget per month is a small investment if well used.
NED has something to contribute coming soon. Projects like ManorMeta are not bankable yet but we bring attention and people to the island....as we host more events there is the potential for much greater outreach. ManorMeta is designed for fullSIM workshops hosting 31 avatars and a speaker on stage. I'm aiming to get our entire production team funded for development on this project so as we have the capacity we will definitely be contributing to any land we help manage.
By Darlene Charneco (CCAL30) (612), Fri, 24 Feb 2006 22:14:18 PST Comment feedback score: 0 SO confused. Why does Sue want to leave BWI? It's such an amazing work that seems headed towards a potential participation/traffic, I think it will! I'm definitely in favor of keeping it alive...if it's the expense of the fees...let's figure something out. I can donate linden too. And then we continue to brainstorm sustainability... If the Pier10 amusement park charity fundraiser thing is developed,maybe the dollar entry fee could go to maintainence...and then we just try to get as many people as possible to stop by....
By nmw (1864), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:58:56 PST
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Well, let me say something about sustainability. If you "set up" an environment that is inaccessible to 999 out of 1000 users, you will have a big problem with sustainability. It may be totally cool, but you will probably be able to develop it for at least a decade before it becomes scalabe and thereby sustainable. Good for deep pockets, superfluous for the rest of the world.
Note that all of these remarks are based on no knowledge on "in-world" factors.
Note also that I am also basically a non-gamer. I could imagine that it might be "promotable" in gaming communities and/or other communities with interest in sophisticated a/v applications.
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:10:32 PST
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I demoed Second Life to a dozen electroclash partiers at the house tonight; they were all astonished by BWI. They LOVED everything about it, everything we've been doing and how we've integrated it together. They're eager to join. Yes, we can't be sustainable when we're never bringing in traffic or offering people ways to invest and give back in the island.
INVESTING in the island...hmmm.....
$10 per month for 20 Better World Scouts is what it would take to maintain it. That would also mean that 200+ more visitors would be coming in each month for events and special features on BWI. We could be there in a month or two but I don't think we're there yet. We have not yet reached critical mass!
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:29:18 PST
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I am not worried about the monthly fees for the next few months. A few folks have stepped in to offer to cover it, including myself.
It is a great idea to work towards the community being able to sustain it.
Second Life is an incredible experience. I continue to learn from it on several levels. It is really the only game that has "stuck" for me (not counting Re-Mission!).
Should we start making a list of those who are committed to preserving and enriching Better World Island?
I would love to hear from Sue on this subject-Sue was the creator of BWI. It would be great to carry on her vision to as much a degree as possible... we could make up a charter or declaration so that if it gets passed on to others in the future, the vision is not diluted or altered.
By Sue Braiden (CCAL30) (2034), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 08:37:38 PST
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I wanted to take a moment to answer Darlene's question. I know that other people will likely be confused by my decision as well. I hope this note will provide both a level of transparency, and shed a bit of light on my choice.
My reasons for choosing to step back are completely personal. It is not a lack of faith in the vision, or the projects, or the people that have poured so much of themselves into this at all. Not wanting to continue on is a very personal choice based on changes in me this past handful of months, and my decision to restore a balance in my life. The past ten years I have embraced the role of better world scout as a fulltime, unpaid job. The island project was an extension of that, and a very costly one. To date, I have invested about US$7,000 into the island project with no real end in sight. I created an inworld business (making and selling pianos and music that I compose) in order to bootstrap the island project. It's worked very well, but it has been utterly draining to maintain both things on top of first life obligations.
Further complicating this is a series of bad choices on my part. Since arriving at omidyar.net I have taken on a number of projects quietly in the background, requiring a constant and constantly increasing outflow of cash.
I am tired and burned out, and finding that the choice to be an unpaid better world scout fulltime, and cultivate paid work very little of the time, is neither a healthy lifestyle or choice. I need to fix that.
So, I will be focusing on earning a living again, which will allow me to continue supporting a handful of projects that I love, instead of trying to be all things to all people.
My original decision was to close the island down, and to purchase land for the two projects that have been working there, making sure they had the means to carry on, and paying their monthly tier charges for some time in advance so they could continue focus on becoming sustainable. This was about another US$600 investment. I'm sharing this to make clear my commitment to this project, and that the decision to move on was an agonizing one.
A colleague pointed out to me a few days ago that this decision was perhaps a mistake, and that it may damage my integrity. I suppose I have to accept that possibility at the moment. Know that I have done what I can to make this work. I've invested heavily out of pocket to do so. The failure is squarely on my shoulders. The people who continue to cultivate projects are amazing, and I will remain involved at the project level to do what I can to help.
People have asked about costs. This week I have a choice to make. I must either close the island, or allow someone to purchase it for the cost of the land alone, which is US$1,250. There is about $3,000 worth of infrastructure on the island that I will transfer to the new owner (tho some objects have no transfer permissions on them, and I am doing an audit today to determine which ones). That gives the new owner a value of about US$4,250. In order to purchase the island, someone has to take responsibility for the account directly in Second Life. That means that someone must accept the responsibility of the $195/month tier charges on their credit card. I have not had to pay these from my own credit card at all for sometime, because my inworld business has been successful enough that I have been able to pay the tier charges entirely in the Linden dollars that I have earned. There are ways that the new owner can offset the cost too, whether through membership, the tip jar, event fees, workshops, renting out island facilities when not in use, etc.
Mark Grimes has expressed an interest in purchasing the island to allow projects to continue on, and to cultivate the NED project there.
Others have reached out to me privately expressing an interest in carrying it on too.
It would be helpful to have some discussion about whether or not the two main project leads wish to keep their projects where they are now when the island changes hands. Camp Darfur is well established, and perhaps has all the room that it needs? Maybe leaving it where it is would be beneficial? The Meta Manor project is rather large, and the new land may be helpful in terms of future growth, but perhaps, Evonne, you may feel that leaving it in tact is more helpful at the moment because of production scheduling?
I will honour whatever decisions you make, and while I will be removing myself completely from the hosting and management of the infrastructure, I will still support the projects.
I cannot tell you how much hand wringing I've done over this for quite some time. This was not a hasty decision. Meron Moroz has been an amazing sounding board and a solid friend for me as I've tried to work through this the past few months. Do not underestimate this woman's leadership ability ever. She's been the one true constant from the get-go, and the reason that things kept going for as long as they did.
I am sorry to let people down, but hope this will pave the way for new energy and better ideas to follow.
Pam and Evonne, thank you so much for being so incredibly gracious and supportive of my choice.
Sue.
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:25:10 PST
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Sue, thanks for your note.
You are not letting anyone down! We all need to collectively support BWI as you have done an immense job by yourself for too long.
I am ok with keeping Camp Darfur in two places. We can use it to raise awareness and the two can morph into somewhat different things as we learn more. I have been thinking about ways to make one of the camps also a store to sell some things relevant to refugees around the world-like of like the fair trade products you can buy on the web (handmade African baskets, rugs, etc) but for use inworld.
I was also thinking about advertising one of the camps as a place for those who do not have homes in SL to come and hang out.
One of them can offer relevant movies and videos - Jackie made a very cool slide show. We can add to it. We can even show Hotel Rwanda and other films. The UNHCR has been incredible supportive in real life and I am scanning materials into SL for use there too. Maybe they have videos we can use.
Sue, the only thing is maybe we can separate the Camp Dafur island from that little oasis that is adjacent? It seems too beautiful to just level but it is not quite a fit with the camp feeling.
Sue, I would also like to buy that new island from you and I can maintain the fees. You were so great to buy it but I am happy to cover it from now on... I am totally happy to give others full permission to build/terraform, etc. on that land... Meron and Jackie and Evonne have been fantastic in the creation of the camp.
By Mark Grimes (4093), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:26:28 PST
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Well, I support Sue and her decision and understand it was well thought out and very difficult to make. While I understand it was a very personal reasons that drove the decision I also understand how hard it is to change the relationship with something you've worked so hard to build from the ground up.
I think Ned in its spirit will do very well on Better World Island, and some other Ned related enterprises under current development like Better World Micro Magazine, Better World Wiki (an others) all bode well on BWI. Also, given desires of the developers of current projects, (and future), to build and grow on the island (Camp Darfur, Meta Manor, Pier10), all will be encouraged to stay...and other projects encouraged to blossom and grow as well.
WRT bringing in Ned. Working with Camp Darfur, Meta Manor, Pier10 and helping them as much as I can, I'm excited at the opportunity to build on the incredible framework that Sue has created. On a selfish and personal note I'm also thrilled to be working hand in hand with Sue to build out the entire Ned franchise concept in a digital format in SL. Excited to work side by side with Darlene, Evonne, Meron, Pam as well as ideas and projects cross pollinate and gain momentum.
Sue, I don’t see this as failure at all. Looking at this as a business you grew, it got to a stage you did not want to follow it. That's okay, and many entrepreneurs don't see that. You did. I am sorry however it's been so hard on you and taken a personal toll. Well, I'm very ready and willing to take on BWI and try to allow current and even more good things to grow and prosper, and I'm ready to make the transition as soon as you are.
By Mark Grimes (4093), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:30:59 PST
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Cross posted with Pam. Off to a day of many basketball games with the boys. Will check in when I can.
By Soren Gordhamer (1423), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 09:51:16 PST Edited: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:15:41 PST Comment feedback score: 2 (* *) +|- (net 0 from me) Sue, wonderful to hear your voice again, and sorry to hear of the constraints on your time, which I certainly can relate to. You are an extraordinary visionary, so please keep that going as you also find a way to have balance and make a living too (I am trying to do the same). If I am correct, I hear that Pam wants to purchase the island, which sounds great to me. I also hear that Mark expressd some interest as well. Maybe if Pam did purchase it, Mark could still start NED events there, and always branch out to his own place when/if he needs to. I for one had no idea that all these costs as they do, being an ocassional visitor to the SL. I do want to honor Sue for all her efforts in the world. Maybe there needs to be a Better World Scout vacation site on SL, with salaries covered in RL so one can relax and come back refreshed!
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:20:14 PST
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Hi Soren, To clarify, I offered to buy the new island Sue purchased for Camp Darfur.
I am also very happy to support the monthly fees for BWI until we get a big enough community that it can be self-supporting-even if it take a while.
SL can get expensive if you want to have more control over how you play the game. A brillant business model for Linden labs!
By Jean Russell (CCAL30) (3614), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:06:15 PST
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I follwed Sue here from "Dipping my toes back in" thread. I can't say anything about BWI, since I haven't been there. However, I must speak here about Sue's note.
What courage, what honesty! Mark is totally right about many people not knowing when to move on or away from something they have grown. Thank you with a deep bow Sue for your integrity and transparency.
A few small posies as a token of respect, Sue.
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:29:36 PST
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Wow, glad to see everyone letting their feelings be known on this. I'm torn, honestly....I love being integrated with Better World Island but terraforming capabilities would also be beneficial. ManorMeta as it stands now looks only somewhat like what we have on paper here in the studio and I wouldn't mind the opportunity to rebuild in a new space, but I love looking out on Camp Darfur now! I like flying over to the drum circle at Kijiweni....BWI feels like home for Manor.
Either way we need to make a decision soon....we were set to start shooting today! I may end up using BWI for this shoot with one scene shot at Winters Gate if that's ok with you Sue....just need to make sure that wherever we start shooting we can finish there too (at least for this two minute short).
The ManorMeta adventure is a large one and BWI has been a brilliant building pad for our team. Right now we're bringing 4-6 new guests per week to the island without advertising (lots of people seem to find our photo galleries and blog) and we're lining up innovators inworld to start hosting events in a month. I would like those events to continue at BWI as the new site is a much quieter residential SIM that may not hold up well to 30 guests.
What do you think? Manor is open to change, shift and modify as needed....that's part of the beauty of a living home!
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 12:15:52 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) I like the idea of a mini-Meta Manor on BWI... you can expand your vision elsewhere and easily set a teleport up for folks to go back and forth. BWI island can be a starting point for so many good places in SL... I like looking at MetaManor from Camp Darfur-MM is a very beautiful and hopeful place.
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:27:39 PST
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Talked with Sue inworld and got a bit more clarity on the future of Manor.
ManorMeta will build @ Winters Gate for machinima (a build truer to the series we're developing) while keeping MetaManor, the source experimental space on BWI. Manor on BWI will keep the meditation cushions (a great place to contemplate on Camp Darfur) and we will use the space for large gatherings, workshops and events. Manor on BWI is designed to hold 32 avatars for new innovation spotlights and inventor showcases....the central stage even has a trapdoor and extras for special effects. We didn't script the musical walls yet but we're still open to hosting large art installations and exhibitions.
We're taking a leap of faith with Winters Gate that Manor will be financially sustainable in 3-6 months. To make that happen we need a LOT of crosspollination! Last night I spent hours demoing our work to a few dozen young creatives in LA at a party hosted here @ Sugar. We have at least 500 people come into the house each month and everyone who has seen what we're up to so far LOVES it. I'm going to print up cards for ManorMeta that includes the SL link to get more people involved in our work.
As new projects come onboard we should think about how to best integrate our efforts, bringing more visitors and new partners to BWI. Sue's vision included workshops and events and we definitely want to work with other BWI leaders to organize more effectively.
As for AMOstudio, it's already built into the mythos that Manors multiply so we're able to stick to our story and share BWI at the same time!
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:06:18 PST
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Hurray. Sounds like a good plan!
But, we can't use the same model for the refugee camps... I hate to think about the camps multiplying!
I think we are ok with two...one at BWI and a bigger one, with many more activities and maybe even a business... something real life former refugees might sell.
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:17:57 PST
Edited: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:20:09 PST
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I think it's a great idea to keep the business and the refugee camp somewhat separate but linked by teleport. Maybe the beautiful waterfall area on BWI is the gateway to a better future through microfinance and SL commerce for former refugees?
All day the problems of internet access, safe ANYTHING keep banging around in my head....being so far removed from the situation I want to go in with our crazy stealth support system and lift a large community of refugees out of this crazyness. My husbands' dream of mobile support centers (planes and aircraft carriers) would come in handy; I believe he's trying to build the first prototype inworld now.
Lars' suggestion of spotlighting the BEST SOLUTIONS for displacement care really sticks with me. How can we build in mobile clinics, mobile cities, power generation technologies and other tools that show where we can be with a small investment of time and money?
I hope BWI can be one day integrated with some of the other activities going on within the Omidyar Network as a whole. I think a group of microfinancier students at Tufts working with Mark, Meron, Ray and Pam could do just about anything.
By Jackie B (CCAL30) (623), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:00:07 PST
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just adding a little note of support to BWI and all projects mentioned here...
Also a massive hug to Sue for all your work at BWI and for your sweet soul. you are loved and appreciated...
Mark, Pam, Evonne and all others please contact me if I can be of help in anyway :)
jackie (aka Riversong Garden )
By Tom Munnecke (1533), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:59:37 PST
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Tortoise and Eliza took a little time this evening to reflect on the past 13 months since Better World Island was born.
Eliza: This island is getting a little cramped; there is no place for my migration. Tortoise: Just relax, its a nice place. Eliza,: Well, another thing: there aren't many guy flamingos around. My biological clock is running, you know. We need a flock of baby giant flamingos somewhere. Tortoise: Maybe we could shrink you down a little. Eliza: Absolutely not! I need scale, and I need space. Scale matters. Tortoise: Well, I guess we'll just have to see how this plays out. Eliza: I think we need to expand to a Better World Continent. That way, we have groups connecting with each other, but not stepping on each others toes. Tortoise: You mean that we could have more space with folks able to wander around? Eliza: Yup, we could mirror the groups in text-based omidyar.net in virtual space, for example. Remember the talk with Philip Linden?
Eliza: Plus, we've attracted a whole new kind of crowd who think in terms of space and color...not everybody lives in the alphabet, you know. Tortoise: Don't rub it in. By the way, when I was riding with Tom in a Taxi in Oaxaca, Mexico a few weeks ago, he asked the driver about how many children play video games in Mexico. The driver said that the kids are crazy about them. Kids will steal money from their parents to buy the games, they are so popular. Eliza: So, is the lesson that games cause kids to steal? Tortoise: Nah... the lesson is that kids everywhere are playing video games, and if we want to connect with them in the future, we need to understand games as a medium. Kind of like when the printing press was invented, and people wondered why we needed all those books; no one could read. So, a new medium requires a new literacy, and literacy requires literature. So, there's a chicken err... flamingo and the egg problem to get started in creating the literature/literacy spiral. Eliza: So, you're saying we are seeing a new communications medium emerge, right before our very eyes. Tortoise: Not only that, we are building it as we learn it. A child reading "See Spot Run" is not learning about dogs, but rather about reading. So, we can look at the present Island as just the seed of a much larger constellation of stuff. Eliza: I wonder if anyone has thought about archiving this island to refer back to in the future. Do you think that there is any way to put it into the Internet Archives? Tortoise: Not sure. Maybe the best way is for someone to make a movie by walking through the island, and archive the movie. Better World Island is going in the right direction, it just hasn't gone far enough... We need to bump up to a continent. And sit back and see what tumbles out of the wormhole.
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:19:59 PST
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Ah man, Tom is drinking and playing SL again...
By P (CCAL30) (1400), Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:24:30 PST
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I think BWI is an incredible beginning...
My response was "like in Snowcrash." - Do you think we are heading that way? I mean why worry about my hair in RL if it always looks chic in SL? Why care about the planet when one can live in utopia inworld?
I am being a bit extreme to make my point but still, we are looking at ways for SL to cross over into RL and make good things happen... but not all folks want to use SL that way.
By nmw (1864), Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:28:55 PST Edited: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:35:28 PST Comment feedback score: 0 +|- (net 0 from me) This is beautiful, Tom! It's great to know that I can be characterized in world without having to upgrade my computer, log in, click buttons, whatever! ;D Tom Munnecke said: Eliza: Plus, we've attracted a whole new kind of crowd who think in terms of space and color...not everybody lives in the alphabet, you know. Indeed: most people don't. I have long asked for and argued for teaching children something like "media competency". But advertisers do not seem to support that -- and we all know what makes the world go 'round, right? Then again: Maybe I'm just not thinking far enough ahead of the curve. After all, it took several centuries for schools (let alone public schools) to spread after the printing press. Tortoise: Don't rub it in. By the way, when I was riding with Tom in a Taxi in Oaxaca, Mexico a few weeks ago, he asked the driver about how many children play video games in Mexico. The driver said that the kids are crazy about them. Kids will steal money from their parents to buy the games, they are so popular. The question is not whether it's fun, but whether you can use the technology to get something done. Informing is quite elemental. So is verifiability. It is comparatively simple / straightforward for me to reference your text. Compare your image:
Is it possible for a machine to make a link from this image to Do Something!? If so, I'ld like to buy one -- I can spend up to $9.95 (note: that's more than many people earn for a full day's work). Note (also) that the image appears to include elements of what might be referred to as text -- was that intentional or unintentional? Eliza: So, is the lesson that games cause kids to steal? Tortoise: Nah... the lesson is that kids everywhere are playing video games, and if we want to connect with them in the future, we need to understand games as a medium. Kind of like when the printing press was invented, and people wondered why we needed all those books; no one could read. So, a new medium requires a new literacy, and literacy requires literature. So, there's a chicken err... flamingo and the egg problem to get started in creating the literature/literacy spiral. Well, that depends on what you call "read". To some degree, listening is also reading, as are the reception of images this was far more widespread. However, it might perhaps have been difficult for Copernicus or Newton to explain their theories with images -- and/or to present data to back them up visually (without text). However, I do acknowledge that today it is possible (and widespread) to use image maps (for example in biology/medicine and/or other "hard sciences"). However, these images are to a large extent based on code which translates the underlying data into a graphic image. But I digress... Eliza: So, you're saying we are seeing a new communications medium emerge, right before our very eyes. Tortoise: Not only that, we are building it as we learn it. A child reading "See Spot Run" is not learning about dogs, but rather about reading. So, we can look at the present Island as just the seed of a much larger constellation of stuff. Could spot run if he were a snake? Eliza: I wonder if anyone has thought about archiving this island to refer back to in the future. Do you think that there is any way to put it into the Internet Archives? Tortoise: Not sure. Maybe the best way is for someone to make a movie by walking through the island, and archive the movie. Maybe it's the best way -- it's probably a matter of perspective. Which are the "best" archives WRT the Third Reich? Is propaganda trustworthy? Did Hitler employ "embedded journalists"? The recent quagmire in New Orleans shows that mobile blogging / citizen journalism is perhaps one of the most promising avenues WRT reliability through "open source" decentralization. BTW: Does anyone (Andy Carvin) know of projects to archive such "documentation"? Better World Island is going in the right direction, it just hasn't gone far enough... We need to bump up to a continent. And sit back and see what tumbles out of the wormhole. I'll keep my eyes peeled! :D
By Evonne Heyning (CCAL30) (2442), Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:54:30 PST
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Jackie, thank you so much for coming out and building with us! Zeke is still out there outfitting the place....when you're inside the camp now you really feel INSIDE the camp!
By Meron s'Mor'z (2034), Sun, 26 Feb 2006 01:56:31 PST
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~ Sue said: ~
~ Meron Moroz has been an amazing sounding board and a solid friend for me as I've tried to work through this the past few months. Do not underestimate this woman's leadership ability ever. She's been the one true constant from the get-go, and the reason that things kept going for as long as they did. ~
Ahhh, shucks, darn, rats <blush> ... thanks for your kind words, now I'm speachless. I'm sure it won't last though : )
Just want to say that I'm willing to lend a hand in keeping BWI going but I'm really not the leadership kinda' gal. I do prefer the back of the room. Will continue to do what I do best, shop and move furniture. In SL it's a talent.
- D
